bill clinton would always go to his staff. talk to any former staffer and the president would say, who do i need to play golf with this weekend. who do i need to call. what do i need to do. there are stories that are so famous about people getting calls from bill clinton at midnight, 1:00 in the morning -- >> does this affect his legacy if he doesn't start connecting with the republicans? >> well, i think it affects what no, i think it affects what he can get done. >> you talk about bill clinton, he loved to socialize. >> still does. >> not so much. he them to the residents and brought them out on the balcony and he would talk to them about legislation that they didn't want to do. he didn't want to be there. >> you don't have to love them. >> you don't have to love them, but you need them. presidents need to do their jobs with people they don't really like. that can include a lot of members of congress. you need to try to get it done. >> in any industry. in politics and business and media and relationships help. i think we can